Abortion (yep, I am going there)

So I got into a “discussion” with someone online about abortion. This is an issue that seems to be on the top of everyone’s mind lately.

First, about a month ago, the Trump administration introduced their plans for a ‘gag rule.’ This plan would prevent doctors and health care providers from even discussing abortion with a patient. This is concerning for a lot of reasons, but mostly it is unethical to ask doctors to withhold information from patients. If doctors offer abortion services or even MENTION abortion options to a patient they could lose important funding that helps them provide other much needed services to the under-insured and uninsured. Services like birth control, breast and cervical cancer screenings, and STI screenings among other health services. “The rule would take away the guarantee that patients receive complete information about their reproductive health care options” (article).

THEN, last week Justice Kennedy announced his retirement from the Supreme Court. He is a conservative justice but has been the swing vote on many socially liberal issues. Such as abortion rights and gay marriage. He was a conservative that understands the original values of the Republican party. Values of a small government and less government interference in people’s personal lives. He understands that you cannot say you want less government oversight, except in these few areas that the religious right has decided the government most definitely should dictate other people’s lives and freedoms. But now he has decided to retire and give Trump yet another Supreme Court pick.

There’s been a lot of talk about who the new justice will be and what they will do about Roe v Wade. Trump has already promised to appoint a justice who would overturn Roe v Wade, though more recently he has stated that he will not ask about that issue specifically during the interview process. We all know better. He won’t need to ask, because the candidates who have been vetted for him have already made their anti-women’s right’s views heard.

So with these things in mind, a friend of mine posted this meme:

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Pretty straightforward. It’s about women’s rights and keeping women safe and informed about their options.

But of course this sparked a debate with some anti-women’s right’s people she knows. I am refusing to call them pro-life, because they like to call pro-choice advocates pro-abortion, so they no longer deserve any respect from me. Also, I think the term pro-life is hypocritical unless the individual can prove to me that they are also anti-capital punishment, anti-war, and have never defended a murderer (including police officers who claim self defense). Death is death, so unless you can demonstrate you are pro-life in every instance, get off my lawn.

I am happy to report that the first person I started discussing with eventually did see that, although he does not agree with abortions, the government shouldn’t be involved in regulating women’s health care options.

But then this ignorant fuck just had to open his big, uneducated mouth:

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So first, I can barely follow what he is saying because his grammar and spelling is so bad. I pointed out to him that this issue will always affect women 100% more than it will ever affect men.  I also said that if he believes sex is only for procreation and that’s what he wants to practice, then good for him, but that is not a belief I hold nor do I think it should be forced on others.

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Boys like him don’t like to hear that. There is a serious, underlying danger here that just comes across as ignorance. Really, it’s much, much bigger than that. This is the kind of mentality that leads to hate crimes against women and minorities. I don’t know this person. I don’t know how he really feels about women’s rights and inequality, but this post has a lot of red flags in it. He could easily use this discussion as “proof” that men are really the ones being discriminated against in our society. This is the “red pill” scenario that convinces young men to believe that they are really the victims in society and need to act out in order to get their own equality. Websites are dedicated to convincing young men of these things. They idolize those who have carried out violent acts against women. It is absolutely disgusting.

My last message to on the thread perhaps didn’t help matters. I was angry and frustrated. Also, I don’t know what to say to someone who has swallowed the red pill and thinks women really are to blame for the woes of the world. I really hope this is not the case for this boy.

 

 

 

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Author: kimi

Nature Lover. Trail Runner. Novice Yogi. Mother of 1. Blogging about my journey back from injuries and healing my mind and body.

7 thoughts on “Abortion (yep, I am going there)”

  1. Tell me, would you consider me pro-Slavery for saying that I think keeping slaves is a matter of personal choice, even though I would be unlikely to ever own or want to own one myself? If yes, then your “nobody is pro-abortion” argument falls completely flat.

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      1. No, it is black and white – simple binary toggle. Either the unborn are “persons” or they’re not. That’s why I used the slavery allegory, since the slaves were considered persons by most people or the science of the day.

        If the unborn are persons, then abortion is murder. If they’re not, it isn’t and does fall under the idea of women’s reproductive health.

        All other arguments from either side are bullshit and will never amount to anything.

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      2. False-equivalency at near its nadir.

        There’s no comparison between a brain dead person and one that isn’t yet born…unless we’re talking anencephalic fetuses, which are quite rare.

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      3. Rare, but not impossible for a fetus to be diagnosed with a condition that would make it unlikely to survive to full term and impossible for it survive outside the womb. So it is not a false comparison. It is exactly the scenario in which many abortions happen after the 20 week mark. Women don’t go halfway through a pregnancy and then say, ‘eh, never mind.” But I just took a quick look at your blog site and am not sure why I am discussing this with someone who is inciting violence toward others. You aren’t going to change my mind, I don’t think I am going to change yours.

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  2. Ugh. I can’t believe people think like this. We have legalised abortion over here and last time I checked it hasn’t become as normal as going to the salon to get my nails done. I’m pretty sure despite its legality it remains a traumatic experience for all involved. I really enjoyed your view on pro-life encompassing anti capital punishment etc. So true and not something I’ve actually considered before. Saving it up for next argument with some anti abortion nut job lol

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